Late to the party but re 'lingerie' as LAWN-ZHEH-RAY, the same thing happens with the first vowel of a word like 'impasse' and, like all forms of hypercorrection, I consider it to be fair game for mockery. And comparing "sudoku" with "karaoke" is wrong, as the later was borrowed in English many generations ago, and has become Anglicized and formalized as [ke-ri-'o-ki]. I was moved to enter the comment section here because it seems obvious to me whats going on, but I kept reading and not seeing anyone bring it up until Chris Button finally did. "Did you say Gah-Dee?". I don't think English has too many Japanese loan-words that have been around long enough for processes like that to play out. The Metro newspaper in London ran its own version of Sudoku called 'Metroku' which made French-speakers laugh. You can contribute this audio pronunciation of cerberus to HowToPronounce dictionary. A taxonomic WordSense is an English dictionary containing information about the meaning, the spelling, the pronunciation, translations and more.We answer the questions: What does Cerberus mean? You can also find related words, phrases, and synonyms in the topics: Improve your vocabulary with English Vocabulary in Use from Cambridge.Learn the words you need to communicate with confidence. --Damon Knight, "In Search of Wonder" First published in the fabulously rare pulp magazine "The Thrill Book" in 1919, this masterful blend of time-travel fantasy, alternate realities, and social satire propels early 20th century Book three of a high-octane thriller series. In British English, the issue is whether to map the vowel of the second syllable to the diphthong of 'poke' or the short open vowel of 'dock'. Is it mainly an American pronunciation? Since you have exceeded your time limit, your recording has been stopped. Must be some Injun lingo.". I just think it's plausible that in this case the pronunciation rules for English loanwords ultimately from Ancient Greek were the ones that determined the outcome. Proper noun If Victor Mair's late wife had been born in the PRC, Americans would pronounce her name as Lie-kwing Zzzanng. Some years ago I read that book and lent it to a friend, another well-read and very intelligent man. AWM-pass makes you sound like an idiot and a pretentious one at that. To pick up Adrian's point, I often wonder where the oft-heard pronunciation of "lingerie" originates. Become a WordReference Supporter to view the site ad-free. very-well-domesticated Greek-etymology words like "microphone," and also with how Latin-origin words like "regina" are pronounced in English to rhyme with China rather than Christina. I'm not sure if there's a good explanation for the difference. While some popular apps like Tasker have successfully secured exemptions, others like Cerberus have not.Slashdot, 8 January 2019, Private equity giant Cerberus Capital Management has bought loan books valued at more than 20 billion from major British banks and the UK Government since the financial crisis.Mail Online, 4 May 2019, German lender Commerzbank appointed former state bank executive Hans-Jrg Vetter as its new chairman, ignoring opposition from its second-largest shareholder, Cerberus Capital Management.Wall Street Journal, 3 August 2020, Greece's Alpha Bank is in talks with at least five US investment firms including Cerberus and PIMCO in a fresh attempt to offload a portfolio of bad debt worth more than 10 billion euros ($11.3 billion), two sources told Reuters.ekathimerini.com, 16 June 2020, Dorel Industries Inc. says it has reached an agreement in principle to be taken private by a group led by Cerberus Capital Management and the family that controls the company's multiple-voting shares.CBC, 2 November 2020, But a new paper suggests an eruption occurred as recently as 53,000 years ago in a region called Cerberus Fossae, which would be the youngest known volcanic eruption on Mars.Slashdot, 22 November 2020, The Financial Services Union (FSU) has said that the possibility of NatWest selling Ulster Bank's entire 20.5bn loan book to private equity company Cerberus is gravely concerning.Independent.ie, 16 October 2020, The lender declined to name the suitor but it is understood that New York-based Cerberus Capital Management is behind the bid.The Guardian, 17 November 2020, Two men are to face fraud charges linked to the sale of a Northern Ireland property portfolio with a multi-billion poundbook value by NAMA to the US investment fund, Cerberus, six years ago.RTE, 17 November 2020, The departure came as a surprise to Cerberus executives, who wanted him to stay.Wall Street Journal, 22 March 2021, hundo: pastorohundo volfohundo See also brako cerbero, Cerbero ( = Hundo = Cerberus, ) kanikulo hundo (Novial) Noun male dog Coordinate terms, tres: example: Audio (Classical) Numeral cardinal - three; 3 Ovid Metamorphoses tria Cerberus extulit ora et tres latratus semel edidit "Cerberus put forth three mouths and, worm: than the sword, whose tongue / Outvenoms all the worms of Nile. Isn't the usual English pronunciation of "karaoke" roughly what you would expect for it from its spelling if it were an English loanword ultimately from Ancient Greek? Despite that his name could be said relatively easily (ta-ka-yu-kee), he shortened it to Taka to make it easier for Americans. His name could have reinforced that pronunciation, of course, along with the cowboy actors Harry Carey Sr. and Jr. Maybe it's funny to him because it makes a nonsense word. I expect I'm not the only British person to have first heard of karaoke in Michael Palin's TV series "Around the world in 80 days", filmed in 1988. ), My lived-in-Indiana-her-whole-life (not that there's anything wrong with that) mother oftens says "suh-DUE-koe.". If I say that out loud, it sounds almost identical to "carry-okie". My mind immediately goes to the way that Americans (and nowadays, sadly, more and more Britons) murder the word "lingerie". But I know I run Linux, and while I had read about the game before, my first real exposure to /playing/ it was the kde (aka K Desktop Environment) game ksudoku. This would explain the pronunciation suh-DOUGH-coo for sudoku, if accented on the second syllable. But I think I mostly hear Americans pronounce sudoku more or less correctly. (It doesn't?) But I can imagine if I had reason to say the word from memory, I might misremember it and have it come out differently. Origin & history An, Pluto: plutonic plutonium Pluto I Pluto II Pluto III Pluto IV 134340 Pluto See also Cerberus underworld Planets, Wikipedia article plutonium Anagrams pluot poult, centiceps: Adjective hundred-headed; with a hundred heads Usage Used to refer to Cerberus, the multi-headed dog who guarded the entrance to the underworld. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_English_pronunciation_of_Latin, MW, AHD, Oxford, Cambridge, and Macmillan dictionaries, Everything You Know About English Is Wrong. I've heard "sooDOOkoo" from an American. And then there's the issue of how to pronounce that "r", but I'm guessing you'd find it less weird to hear an American "r" together with Japanese-sounding vowels. So they guess at its pronunciation from the spelling of that transliteration, based on their individual sense of the rules of English pronunciation. Filed by Victor Mair under Borrowing, Pronunciation. (By the way, there exists a popular American song in which this pronunciation occurs repeatedly.). Presumably the sudoku/suduko syllable swap is from the same root. Recounts the Greek myth about the three-headed dog who was employed to guard the portals of the Underworld. I checked the pronunciation of "karaoke" in MW, AHD, Oxford, Cambridge, and Macmillan dictionaries; all list "carry-Okie" first or alone. I think there might be two things at play here the effect where nearby sounds influence each other (I forget what it's called, but in this case the first long u affecting the second vowel), and the fact that in English we're more familiar/comfortable with foreign-sounding words from languages like Spanish that end in o. I first encountered the word karaoke in this 1991 episode of the American sitcom Cheers. "The Classical Association, shortly after its foundation in 1903, put forward a detailed proposal for a reconstructed classical pronunciation. In grad school, my major Professors first name was Takayuki. This "other" pronunciation (sah-doo-koh/suh-DUE-koe) is used by a significant proportion of the population. The definition of Cerberus in the dictionary is a dog, usually represented as having three heads, that guarded the entrance to Hades. Proper noun I do the latter, but I've rarely heard the word from anyone else. Putting the stress on the second syllable is just too fatiguing. I had to google to be sure you were in earnest. I also default to second-syllable stress, presumably because that's what feels natural from an AmEng perspective, which is not what I would do if I were self-consciously pronouncing it as a Japanese lexeme. With 'lingerie' we also have a few options. Unfortunately, this browser does not support voice recording. I assume that "carry Okie" (which in my mind is the standard American pronunciation of karaoke) got started because the sequence of vowel sounds transcribed as "ao" is extremely rare in English, maybe to the point of being nonexistent in "native" English words (whatever that might mean), and very rarely occurring even in adjacent words. I agree with some commenters above in that this is probably mainly due to the "ao" combination not being found in native English words. I learned the shoe brand first, but only written down, and until this thread I was pretty sure it rhymed with Mike. For example, 'computer' => , but 'computer-SUBJ' =>"" instead of "". My hypothesis is that many people don't look at the details of what they read or listen to the details of what they hear. "murder" is not an appropriate word for a linguist to use; that smacks of prescriptivism". Domenico Modugno, anybody? I can't tell you how many AmE speakers had no idea what we were saying. Of course seeing as the original Japanese is "hadouken", maybe that's just, like, hearing it slightly differently. Cerberus. Add Eurydice to one of your lists below, or create a new one. The "doku" in "sudoku" would receive a much better approximation in English if it were spelled as "dokku" (or even "docku") with the doubled consonant "kk" (or "ck") marking the short "o" (e.g. Of course, it's Japanese, not Greek, but I don't think people usually consciously connect how they guess at pronunciations from spellings with the language of origin. Or with a different accent? "soduko," it's more likely to just be that neither of those options (nor any other plausible variants) seems more intuitively right or meaningful or even stereotypically Japanese-looking/sounding than the other(s), so it may be easy to mishear/misremember etc. It becomes a tongue-twister, slows you down, and will probably impair communication if the listener doesn't parse it right. Japanese "ka-ra" becomes "karra" in American mouths, where the initial 'a' is a short sound. The third and twelfth labours may be solar, the horned hind representing the moon, and the carrying of Cerberus to the upper world an eclipse, while the last episode of the hero's tragedy is possibly a complete solar myth developed at Trachis. (Greek mythology) 3-headed dog guarding the entrance to Hades; son of Typhon. Actually "Soduko" feels a bit more "natural" to me than "Sudoku," perhaps because Americans' notions of words with a lot of vowels in them is modeled on Romance. To be fair, the Japanese did rather murder the English word "orchestra" when incorporating it into "karaoke". R. Duane Ireland, Robert Hoskisson, Michael Hitt, NAMA scandal: DUP deny major Robinson U-turn months before , The DUP has denied that Peter Robinson radically changed his position on the sale of NAMA assets just months before the, DEALTALK-Surge in Brazil toxic loans catches eyes of Goldman , Taking advantage of that trend, Goldman, Credit Suisse Group AG and, The Morning Ledger: CFOs Ring-Fence Greek Troubles, Mr. Pritchett most recently was head of the finance and CFO practices at an affiliate private-equity firm, Carnarvon Petroleum readies for Roc-1 well, casts eye for new deals, What it says in the papers: business pages. Proper noun See Google Translate's machine translation of 'Cerberus'. Subscribe to learn and pronounce a new word each day! "So, for instance, Greek K sounds became hard Cs (as in Cerberus). Congrats! On a related note, I've heard sudoku pronounced suhdooku by someone who was trying to humorously substitute it for seppuku. BradyGames Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus Signature Series Guide includes the following: A complete walkthrough of the entire game. I've rarely heard the word "sudoku" and can't be sure I've remembered what I heard correctly, let alone whether they knew (or cared) what the Japanese pronunciation is/was. I first learned "Nike" as the name of the famous statue and then as the name of the goddess who inspired the statue, so I never had a problem with the brand name. ), I haven't read all these comments, but as a teacher of Hindi I constantly had to remind students that unstressed vowels in Hindi words have their written vowel quality and are not reduced to a schwa-like vowel, as is normal in many English wordssuch as English mulatto (often pronounced muh-LAH-toe in casual speech). I actually hear more Americans approximating the Japanese sound of "sudoku" than they do for "karaoke". I'd spell the word karake in Icelandic (with the signifying the stress, of course). I hear Americans pronouncing it as something like "carry Okie". How do you spell Cerberus? FWIW I've never heard sudoku with -duko. Finally in February 1907 their proposal was officially recommended by the Board of Education for use in schools throughout the UK. or post as a guest. It made me curious has anyone else heard the old-fashioned slangy pronunciation of "harakiri" as "Harry-carry"? around? Nike is supposed to be pronounced "nick-ay", not "nigh-key." (I could easily be wrong on that: I watch hardly any TV.). Report an error or suggest an improvement. So, for instance, Greek K sounds became hard Cs (as in Cerberus). Yes, "hara-kiri" into "hari-kari" is (IMO) considerably more surprising than "karaoke" into "karioki", the latter of which really does seem to me (as an American) a transformation into something easier to say. The history of an idea. But, for some reason, many people murder Japanese words borrowed into English. I admit I hadn't really thought about karaoke and karate much before, so the comments have certainly been interesting. The references include Cambridge Dictionary Online, Centre National de Ressources Textuelles et Lexicales, Century Dictionary, Dictionary.com, Dictionary of the Scots Language, Dictionnaire Illustr Latin-Franais, Duden, Oxford English Dictionary, One odd thing I've noticed is "hadoken" into "haduken" (from Street Fighter). >To be fair, the Japanese did rather murder the English word "orchestra" when incorporating it into "karaoke". Write a usage hint or an example and help to improve our dictionary. A combination of our different perceptions of the flap, and probably also the very different prominence in a 40yo bachelor versus 5-7yo kid's lexicon of the word "potty". Register Of course "the vowels as written" does allow for some variation, especially with the O. Karaoke is pronounce la classical languages, like aorist. Karra-yokie. I had parsed the phrase as "Carioca machine," a new concept to me, but nonetheless one that sounded like a great thing to have in a bar. "Sudoku" is still relatively new and is pronounced as it is spelled: [su-'do-ku]. don't. Proper noun Cf. As for "karaoke", it is always said the "American" way I have never heard it pronounced with the Japanese vowel sounds. I don't like this post. Add a note to the entry "Cerberus". Anything in violation of these guidelines will be removed immediately. Ranting does that to me. Always having bought no-name brands of sportswear, it came as quite a surprise to me that's pronounced with two syllables; doesn't rhyme with Mike. Cercartetus (Translingual) We can look at "Mason-Dixon" becoming "Masie-Dixie", and eventually yielding the name "Dixie" for the South. I don't believe I've ever heard the word sudoku pronounced, and I've only heard karaoke pronounced at a couple of church karaoke nights. Malayalam?). I thought there was a fairly common male name Nike (short for Nicholas) that rhymed with Mike, but apparently that's not actually the case Nick is several orders of magnitude more common. The irony is that it was tougher to rent a car from. HTML tags and links are not allowed. in "dock") as opposed to the diphthong before a single "k". I think this is a misleading account, as it was usual in British schools to pronounce Classical Latin in an anglicised fashion (C soft before E, I, Y) until sometime in the 20th century. with some u's and o's in there. A web search just now yields made-up names like cataotic and naraosis, which I'd be willing to bet are pronounced with the "HAPPY" vowel in the second syllable. There are no user-contributed notes for this entry. (I've also heard "Izusu" and "Izuzu", one of them from a salesman who sold them and the other from a well-read and very intelligent friend.). But for God's sake don't say LAWN-ZHEH-RAY unless your trying to come across as Hyacinth Bouquet meets Ann Summers. If they butchered it as bad a karaoke they'd pronounce it ka-RATE or CARRY-tea. I still maintain it's hard to pronounce a foreign word "properly" in the midst of an English sentence if it contains sounds (like rolled Rs) that don't exist in English. Compare also paella "pie-Ella". Cercibis (fem.) It took me a long several seconds to process the guffawing of my niece and nephew upon learning that the Korean word for 'fly' (the insect) was "pari". Spelling pronunciations certainly do arise with English pronunciation rules other than those with Greek loanwords. The "i" coming out as the PRICE vowel not the FLEECE vowel is parallel with e.g. Don't request for help, don't ask questions or complain. A collection of thoughts and discussions on Cerberus in art, literature and the myths behind the dog of Hades. " Keep up. There are probably other examples as well (pharaonic? (But Nike Borzov does, in fact, rhyme with Mike. Or kar'ke because the second a is so indistinct. Click on the arrows to change the translation direction. In this instalment he has to find a valuable and mysterious piece of technology. Longfellow When Cerberus perceived us, the great worm, / His mouth he opened and displayed his tusks. @Mollymooly I first heard the "suduko" pronunciation on the podcast of the brilliant English comedian Ricky Gervais. This is Book Two of the Epic Tetralogy, The Four Lords of the Diamond. If we're talking about Japanese pronunciation, we should remember that there's a long vowel: suudoku. Google Books tells me that the misspelling "hari-kari" already existed in the nineteenth century, which suggest that the "Harry Caray" pronunciation predates the announcer by quite a bit. hard to take. Rant over. Lots of my students stumble over "calorimeter", though I say it for them and write "caloRIMeter" on the handout. ", Years ago, there was a commercial for Isuzu where the white guy kept pronouncing is Izusu. taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu. The American pronunciation of karaoke is in line with our tendency to stress the second-to-last syllable, and to change of the final "e" sound in other Japanese words, e.g., "karate" (kah-RAH-tee") and "sake" (SAH-kee). One of the reasons why Greek loanwords (and proper names from mythology) are often butchered in English was that for centuries it was the usual practice to transliterate the Greek alphabet according to Classical Latin spelling idioms. 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The other thing with "Nike" is that it was borrowed (via Latin) so long ago that its pronunciation reflects historical pronunciation shifts within English (and/or more specifically in Anglophone pronunciation of Latin/Latinate words). As a side note, my Sardinian father finds Sudoku a hilarious word (like Subaru) because it includes the article "su" right in the word. The same problem arises with Pinyin. Details can be found in the individual articles. Related words &, Cite this page: "Cerberus" WordSense Online Dictionary (22nd July, 2022) URL: https://www.wordsense.eu/Cerberus/. Take "karaoke", for example. The first name (often a nickname) "Nico" is current in enough different European languages that it's hard to say where Anglophones might think it comes from, but Anglophones do seem able to pronounce it (again, perhaps because it's a quite recent import) with the FLEECE vowel, despite the ultimate etymological connection (via clipping of and/or that name's transmutated forms in various other languages) with Nike. Having said that, one only needs to look at the single flapped Spanish "r" in words like "pero" to find a similar situation there. but I believe the common definition is 20 years or so, meaning karaoke could have come into English no more than 2 generations ago. Thus for example, English-speaking learners of Hindi tend to reduce the /u/ in sukhaanaa 'to dry' (causative)which is accented on the second syllable to schwa. You've got the pronunciation of cerberus right. Webster's Dictionary, WordNet and others. I certainly always pronounce, in my head, the vowels as written when I see the word sudoku. The "kara" in "karaoke" looks to have a rhotic "r" yet the Japanese "r" often approximates an American English flapped "t" (e.g. A lot of the English mangling of Greek would probably go away if the words were directly transliterated rather than filtered through Latin first. AFAIK "doccu" is not a word in Sardinian or it would be funnier. Only MW lists "kara-okay" at all (last, labelled "also"). American English speaker here, from the South (but urban). I also imagine if said the word out loud, the first syllable might turn into a schwa. So it doesn't seem surprising that it sometimes gets pronounced differently than spelled. Cerbia (Latin) 'pa pdd chac-sb tc-bd bw hbr-20 hbss lpt-25' : 'hdn'">, Test your vocabulary with our fun image quizzes, Clear explanations of natural written and spoken English. Interestingly, I first heard of karaoke through the Chinese for it, OK (ka la oh kay), which is much closer to the Japanese pronunciation, and it was a thing that the drunk uncles and aunties at parties did while us kids played video games.
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